Saturday, August 19, 2006

   from Nick

Podcast 49... "Due Diligence"

From Hunt Valley, Maryland, USA, Stately Caragay Manor.

Discussion topics: News & calendar, other coffee podcasts, email bag, "The Cup of Excellence and the NCA" article by Susie Spindler on the front page of, Mark Prince = Rush Limbaugh, and coffeeshops that are so expensive that they're not supposed to make money.

1 hour 57 minutes and 51 seconds
MP3 format, 54 MB

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Anonymous Mark said...

Thanks guys.

It'd be cool if you went back and listened to your interview with Ward Barbee on your podcast from the SCAA floor - how you challenged him, and called him out about not being more vocal and public about his opinions vs. the SCAA, asking why he is not using Fresh Cup as his platform. Can't have it both ways, Nick. This put some serious (and not so serious) topics out there in the public and pro eye, and a lot of it needed to be said, in my opinion at least, and perhaps a few others.

I stand by putting that article online. I'm a little tired of the "say one thing in private, another thing in public" that too many people practice in this business. Transparency - good and bad, should often be the more important thing. It may actually get people thinking more about what their actions result in, if stuff like this was more in the open.

So should I go back and edit out that "integrity" comment Nick made on the CG podcast 041? Bill O'Reilley. Rush Limbaugh, sheesh.

PS - you missed the point about the "grammatically correct" part Jay - it was meant to be tongue in cheek - she was in a way saying that she personalized an organization, referring to it as a person - because that's how she thought about ACE and CoE - that's where the grammer tongue and cheek thing came in. The article's content was edited for style and grammar.

And one last bit of transparency: the personal commentary hurt.

8/20/2006 01:09:00 AM  
Blogger onocoffee said...

I don't typically like to engage discussions in the comment section but since the topic includes friends I think some clarification is in order.

Nick and I don't always agree on the topics we discuss - and, as the listeners will hear, we don't quite agree on this discussion. Personally, I'm poorly versed in CoE/ACE/NCA/SCAA affairs and that's why I didn't participate in the original forum thread and stated on the podcast that much of the argument is "over my head."

My position in the discussion considers why the Executive Director of CoE/ACE would choose an article on Coffeegeek to counter discussion on the "forum that shall not be named?" A forum post would have been simply the ED (as an individual) discussing the topic - like the number of SCAA Board of Directors members who participate in other discussions - the discussion isn't considered "canon," it's more akin to "insider information."

When the same person goes out and writes a full-blown article for what has become a media outlet for both consumer and industry then that person presents themselves as the actual representative of that company or organization.

After the recording of a typical Podcast, there's always a bit of post-game reflection. During the past 49 shows, we've run the gamut of topics and discussions - a number if which we knew would offend some of our listeners. Last night was a long post-game review. Nick and I sat around for two hours discussing the merits of podcast 49. Release it or not release?

In the history of the Podcast, we've never intentionally dropped a show we've recorded - with the exception of the Seattle 2005 recordings where the audio rendered them unusable. Our style of podcast is meant to be from the hip, funny, quirky, hopefully insightful and even a touch controversial. Like a morning drive radio show, the Podcast is meant to run continuously with no editing.

I know Nick was reluctant to release 49. It's difficult subject matter. It puts friends at odds on an issue. There are times when people get caught up in a moment and are swept away like the reluctant surfer in a big wave. My turn to get swept away was during the "Banana Republic" incident, 49 was Nick's turn.

Podcast 49 will irritate. It will offend. It will cause the gnashing of the teeth. It probably has crossed a line. It will challenge your friendship with Nick. It will challenge the relationship between the two podcasts. But friends are meant to disagree, fight and challenge each other in order to grow and to learn.

I think there's still much common ground and friendship to be had in spite of Podcast 49.

8/20/2006 06:04:00 AM  
Anonymous alistair said...

"Good evening Mr. and Mrs. America and all the ships at sea. Let's go to press." the original gossip columnist: Walter Winchell.

8/21/2006 12:38:00 AM  
Anonymous alistair durie said...

I don't think was a good place for the article. I find it a little strange not to find it listed at the cup of excellence website. Is it not an organizational press release? Is it editorial? Is it official? Are coffeegeek readers the right audience for this? The topic presented seems pretty isolated. I see little purpose, but there may be much more to it all, I don't know. I'm not sure many people outside those organizations will understand. I fear it looks like greasy politics to most readers.

What's ironic about bringing up Walter Winchell, is one of his more famous sayings: "I usually get my stuff from people who promised somebody else that they would keep it a secret."

Its seems to me that Nick and Mark spend a whole lot of time on gossip. You both have done a heck of a lot for the great cause of forwarding quality coffee. I commend and respect you both so very much when you focus on this. You are both very public figures in coffee, remember that. Represent. Talk about due dilligence Nick, as a host and spokesperson, you could show a little yourself, as you criticize others form here, you were bent waay out of shape yourself.

To quote Burt Lancaster as J.J. Hunsecker, who played Walter Winchell in my very favorite film: Sweet Smell of Success (where Elysian Room found its name)... "Don't remove the gangplank - you may wanna get back on board."

My friends, I encourage you to see this film.

big hugs,

8/21/2006 03:56:00 AM  
Anonymous SL28ave said...

I think a voice is always official. If someone chooses to spew lazy language because of the comfort of a casual atmosphere, it doesn't change whatsoever the content. This is a major problem I have with the current muddled state of the online world. I'd like to see rationality as the sole medium we strive for (which can be passionate) and not put so much emphasis on barely-relevant decorum.

Susie is very personal. And she's protecting what she loves with rational counter-points.

(It's so easy to get fired up too! I liked Jim's post on CG yesterday about the "dysfunctional" specialty coffee family. I'm always incredibly anxious and I feel like I put my foot in my mouth 20 times a day. We're only human.)

8/21/2006 05:00:00 AM  
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Nick, was it a Russ Meyer film you were thinking of?

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